Updating post from Reddit.
Hi there. I've been a tenant with my current landlord for 3 years. I've finally saved up and have purchased my own home. I gave my 1 month notice a couple of weeks ago and it ends early/mid April. I have movedost ofy things into my new home, but still need to clean. As I have a couple of weeks left of my tenancy this is ideal. It means I can take my time and clean it well.
However, since I gave my notice, the landlord has been badgering me to clean it immediately. I was under the impression that as I have paid for this month and am still under contract that I could literally leave it until the last day to clean if I really wanted to?
Yesterday I went round to clean and found that the landlord had been in, without giving me any heads-up/24 hour notice, and had turned off the fridge freezer. They left the doors open and the ice from the freezer melted and poured out onto the kitchen floor. I sent a message asking if they had been in an unplugged it, and if so why. Then we had the following back and forth.
Am I totally in the wrong here? I'm just a tad baffled.
Landlord shouldn’t be entering without your permission whilst still under tenancy. It’s still your property, the only sticking point I could see is insurance would be void if vacant for more than 30 days, which I doubt it will be. But yeah, they are been an arse. When it comes to a proper check out, and notifying council tax etc, tell them the landlord apparently took back control a month early, they can pay the bills from the point they feel it was there’s again.
Thank you. I was sure it was the case. I am tempted to clean it asap and tell them to take it off my hands
As a landlord myself... you are 100% in the right. Your landlords an AH basically.
Same, this LL is being a f*ckcrumpet, would never dream of doing this to my tenants.
That is the greatest insult I have ever seen!
Mind if I steal that one? I can think of more than a few people I'd like to use that on 🤣
You are completely in the right. I would imagine the landlord is going to try and sting you for your deposit too for “cleaning” etc. Make sure you take photos of everything before handing the keys back. Even better if you have photos of the place when you first moved in.
I agree with the above poster, if you can get it in writing the date he things you no longer became a tenant at the property, that’s the date you can give to all suppliers, council tax etc.
Good luck.
Very handy that they have given written proof of their breach of contract.
No don't you dare. You hand those keys back on the LAST day of your paid tenancy. And don't strain yourself too much to clean. Just fulfil the contract and nothing more. Take pictures. Those and these screenshots would be of great interest to the Deposit Scheme people, should there be a delay in releasing your deposit.
Having just read that conversation, i am really quite mad on your behalf!
The landlord takes over when the tenancy ends, not some random point in time. Do not hand the keys back before it ends. Do not inform the council/energy companies until the day the tenancy ends.
The landlord turning the fridge freezer off was stupidity … of course it’s going to defrost and leak water everywhere.
Makes sure you keep this conversation as evidence for your deposit counter claims.
Hand back the keys at the last possible minute so this asshole can't get other tenants in whilst you've paid for the month and make two lots of rent for it
Please make sure you have pics from entering and leaving the property. This type of landlord will use anything to get money off your deposit.
He is definitely being an ass here. The only thing I can think with from his perspective is that he probably wants to show prospective tenants round so he can get it rented again as soon as possible… hence the desire from him to have it looking clean right away.
Technically yes you can wait until the very last day to clean and you can leave boxes lying around wherever you like… as you as still paying for the right to have exclusive use over the property. If he was a little nicer he might coordinate the transition with you and if it were me I’d offer to do some cleaning for you in exchange for letting me show people round early… but that would be entirely up to you as to whether or not that was acceptable.
No, do as you said and leave it to the last day to clean and vacate. Doing it earlier only encourages his behaviour which is intended to get you to leave so he can re-let it more quickly and make more money.
Nah don't give them a chance to make any money or do anything to sabotage your contract further. You hand over those keys exactly when needed
I once had a landlord that not only entered our property whilst we were still under contract but started PACKING our stuff away (and ruining it), too.
He had the audacity to try and claim for damage to the property (there was no damage). Thankfully, I took photos on our moving in day.
Some landlords are assholes.
I had a landlord who tried to do the inspection before we cleaned because we paid for two flats for the crossover month.
I arrived with cleaning materials to find him and his assistant wandering around making notes.
He actually sued us for damages that neither of us could prove who caused, and the judge basically sighed and said split the costs 50:50 or I'll make it more expensive for both sides (not exactly but the gist).
I was too naive to have asked the judge to clarify rules for entering a property without asking or permission and doing an inspection without tenants present.
If I'd have found ANY person doing that, they'd have a baseball bat across the back of the hands!
"Oh, sorry, I thought you were an intruder burgling me.? I was protecting myself and my property. Oh wait, you didn't give 24hrs notice - so you ARE an intruder."
Yep. I had a similar issue, weren't even a day into moving things to the new house, still a month left on tenancy, in come builders and landlady strutting about wanting to renovate start pulling stuff down. My girlfriend and I took our stuff and turned off all the facilities and left. No point cleaning. Builders were in. Interestingly, when I told power company we were out, they turned off the power, remotely with the smart meter. Ha.
Your landlord is a twat. It's your tenancy still.
Your landlord is just a bit of a dick. You handled it well.
Thanks :)
Landlord is a prick. I’m a landlord and would never speak to anyone like that. Also what he’s done is just wrong anyway.
Thanks for your input. I had a great landlord previously, so I try not to fall into the 'them and us' LL tenant mentality. Glad people seem to agree that I'm not being rude
Yeah he's being a clown. Going inside and turning off the freezer and leaving it unattended so it leaks is his fault.
He shouldn't be turning up unattended until you've officially handed over the keys and left.
He's well out of line. Surprised you handled it so calmly. I would have threatened legal action.
Thanks. I'm glad you thought I was calm. I always try to re-read what I've written in case I come across rude
There's no legal recourse to the landlord entering without permission
If he’s caused damage, there is.
That would still be the case if he had permission to enter
Maybe so, but I would've made a vague legal threat.
Yeah the landlord is bang out of order.
You should report him to your local authority/council - they'll have somewhere to report "rogue" landlords. By entering without notice nor your permission, he has breached your right to quiet enjoyment, which is an essential element of all leases. Further, entering without your permission, and his messages, could amount to tenant harassment - see protection from eviction act 1977. Even if the council don't do anything, he's on their radar and a second report by someone else might provoke action.
He may have entered in order to take photos before you moved out to use against you so he can claim more of the deposit. Make sure you take lots of photos of how you leave the place and video too e.g. of things working etc.. Once you move out, if says he wants you to agree to deductions - ask him for the photos he's relying on and look at the meta data, or compare them with yours. Then refuse to agree any deductions. At that point, you can use the tenancy deposit protection scheme to arbitrate the dispute but importantly he will have to prove his right to deduct and the value proposed is warranted, before the Scheme authorises any deductions.
If he's used photos from his unlawful entry to try and get either you to agree deposit deductions and/or submitted them to the Scheme during arbitration, you should sue him in small claims court for money (pick a figure under £10k, which is the small claims limit) for (i) breach of your right to quiet enjoyment (ii) trespass (iii) harassment ((a) general and as a (b) tenant in particular because he sent the photos to you to get you to agree to deductions rather than going through the deposit scheme) (iii) fraud by misrepresentation. Set out all the facts, including typing out the dates/times of messages and their contents, and detail how you felt harassed/anxious, any extra work you had to do because he turned off things etc, and/or anxiety/extra work because he sent the photos from that illegal entry to you and/or the deposit scheme.
On your last day, have a copy of a daily newspaper visible as an easy pointer to the date you moved out.
Fu*k me. Power moves
100% guarantee this guy stiffs you of your deposit as well.
As for your question, you are still the tennant until the month is up and 110% in the right.
Well I'm hoping they don't have a leg to stand on. We have to leave the place as we found it, but the LL never actually saw how we received it. We got the keys from the old tenant, presumably because the LL didn't want to have to do anything in the interim, and never provided an inventory. I asked the old tenant and have written confirmation from them that the only time the LL went in was to show people round 3 weeks before he moved out
Did he even put your deposit in an official scheme? Surprised there’s no inventory!
The deposit is an an official scheme through OpenRent. I took a load of inventory pictures when I first got in there, but the LL never wanted them. Never came round to see how we received it either.
That's because he will just try to make a claim against your deposit when you move out, make sure you fight this
Clever. You should get all the deposit back when you can prove the "damage" was there when you moved in.
You don’t need to prove the damage was there when you moved in - the landlord has to prove it wasn’t. Without any sort of inventory that’s impossible so there’s nothing to argue about.
True, but OPs photos are great to have, and kill any attempt immediately
I've been through this, where a landlord didn't take an inventory when we moved out. He tried to claim thousands of pounds. The finding agents had done us a solid and put the deposit in a protection scheme, mercifully.
It had to be reviewed, but we ended up getting the full deposit returned to us.
The burden of proof is with the landlord, so if there's no inventory, they can't claim a penny from you.
They will probs use pics tht are old and everything is as they want it. Make sure you note everything and where possible get things in writing. This convo will help you.
It there's no inventory then they can't claim damages - just say it was like that when you moved in. You've been there 3 years so they won't be able to claim on painting/carpets anyway
No check in inventory = no deductions
Apart from your landlord is blatantly breaching the AST Agreement, make sure your deposit has been protected. If it hasn't, congratulations, you've made the easiest money you'll ever make!
Even if it is protected, with no inventory, the landlord won't be able to argue anything for damages.
Your landlord is a grade A prick.
I'd be looking to spite the fucker if he was giving me that sort of attitude. Some landlords just shouldn't be in the business.
The world is full of this kind of people who instead of choosing to communicate with reason and rationality, they choose to personal attack you, belittling you to make you feel small and unworthy. OP, you have done an amazing job dealing with your landlord. If you haven't moved out already, I would take tons of pictures of the place and move on.
Your landlord. He is a dick. I can’t believe what I’m reading.
Absolutely not, that property is yours until the end of your tenancy. None of your tenants rights change just because you have given notice.
The landlord letting themselves in before your tenancy is up is not just out of order, it is illegal and puts him in violation of your renters rights and tenancy agreement.
I think the technical term for the landlord is plonker
I thought it was spanner but you could be right
The landlord’s communication is disgusting! They have no right to be in the property whilst you’re under contract. Your communication to him was completely professional. Please make sure you take photos of everything and a video as this will help you pick up on anything missed by the pictures.
As the landlord is acting this way it is likely they will try and deduct fees for cleaning etc. Don’t agree to any deductions if they are presented and let the deposit scheme deal with it.
No you are not remotely in the wrong this is an awful landlord. Awful.
Congratulations on getting your own place. That LL is a turd and doesn't deserve your considerate nature. It's your place until the end of the tenancy. Their unannounced entry and turning off of appliances may be helpful evidence for your inevitable deposit fight.
Thanks, it feels so surreal to own my own place! I'm hoping we don't have an issue with the deposit, but I think this conversation is just the beginning lol
I think you'll be fine, no inventory report + protected deposit + you've actually left it tidy?
Hello, leg factory? I'm a massive cunt of a landlord and I need something to stand on please
Ugh … twits like this are why people hate landlords
My previous landlord (great guy) asked me for permission to access the vacated property that we had rent paid until end of the month although we left 15 days earlier.
He then asked if I wanted 15 days money back as he was gonna do work on the property. We signed an agreement and ended earlier. He gave us the rent money back, deposit (minus some minor for damage he already knew about and we agreed beforehand)
Your landlord is an AH
I'd tell him it's yours until the end of the period you've paid for and you'll be there up to the very last minute unless he shut's his f**king mouth.
If you want to really stick it to him, keep a key (get a new one cut), enter the property after the tenancy has officially ended and turn all the appliances on. He will be footing the bill. You don’t seem the vindictive type, but sometimes just knowing you “could” do that, helps you feel better.
That landlord is out of order
Set up a remote camera. Film if they continue to enter and then you have evidence of potential harassment as you are entitled to quiet enjoyment until the LL takes possession.
As they are a twt, and I imagine wanting karma might be tempting, I’d recommend looking closely at the dates your deposit was protected. Our LL also turned into an twt and as they didn’t protect our deposit within 30 days, they’ll be getting a letter before action once we are out. FAFO 🤷♀️
You’re in the right here & the property can still be considered “yours” until the end of your notice period.
I'd respond at the end with a "sort yourself out lad"
I'm extremely tempted to do this at the end of the tenancy
If he wants you out earlier I would ask for a portion of your rent back. Mind you turning off the appliances would ultimately save you electrical charges (not much) plus gets you off the council tax sooner rather than later.
But like others said they shouldn’t be entering at all - it’s still yours until the notice ends
No, you are not in the wrong - the landlord is!
Had this exact same thing happen to me after giving notice and paid for an extra month's tenancy, as I was moving 500 miles from southern England to Scotland, and needed additional time for travelling between old and new house before the actual moving day.
Went away for a weekend the day after I gave notice, having mentioned to the letting agent that I was going away for a couple of days, just in conversation as we had a friendly relationship.
I came back to find they had been in the house showing prospective new tenants around, and had the audacity to email me asking where the original curtains were (I'd stashed them safely away and used my own curtains) and commenting that my cat, for whom I had express permission to have in the property, had made some light scratches on the upstairs banister which I would need to remedy at my own expense.
That was a given, no problem at all - what I had a problem with was, I was still the tenant and they had no right to come in without even informing me, let alone actually asking if that would be okay. To say I was furious doesn't even come close!
So, stand your ground, legally you are in the right for as long as your tenancy holds.
It is reasonable to expect that new prospective tenants might need to view the place before you move out, but the landlord can only enter the property with your consent while your tenancy is still valid - AND they need to give at least 24 hours notice if they want to bring people in for viewing.
I hope that helps - and all the best in your new abode, when you finally get there!
Don’t hand over the keys until the end of the agreement. Make sure they aren’t coming in the property while your AST is still valid.
If they want to take possession of the property earlier tell them you’ll be happy to surrender the remainder of the lease for a refund in some of the rent.
Make sure you take meter readings now, and again when you leave.
Wow your LL is a twat. I wouldn't enter my tenant property without permission. I would document all of this in case they are being difficult re deposit.
Landlord sounds like a right bell end
Landlord is an ass.
Typical childish behaviour from someone who hasnt had to be a grown up from that landlord
Landlord came in unannounced, interfered with stuff and caused a mess.
He is an AH you should consider asking them for compensation on all 3 counts.
Probably easier just to move out and let him continue with his AH life to be honest but up to you.
Your landlord is a cunt. Almost all of them are. The property is yours until the officially agreed end of the tenancy.
Speak no further with them and make their life as difficult as possible.
Landlord needs to work on their communication skills, and give you a refund for the weeks of forward rent you've paid.
Take him to court if you can, this is a landlord who is genuinely seething that a "rat" is escaping the race.
LL here and you are 100% in the right. I would report him to the council if LLs have to be registered in your LA.
Congrats on your first home!! 🏠 and yes landlord is a dick.. suggest evidencing EVERYTHING. Photos, messages, dates and times.
Your landlord is a bellend, you've paid, they have no right to enter without giving heads up
Did they actually respond with a 😂 emoji?
If you're paying rent, you're a tenant. End of story.
JfC. What an arse.
I would change the lock on principle. This dickhead would then call an emergency locksmith to break in under the mistaken belief you would be footing the bill.
It's also amazing how frozen fish can work its way into the most unlikely of places
Landlords a prick
Yeah landlord is being a dick. He needs to sort himself out
Wow, the 😂 emoji shows real class and a level of professionalism from the landlord/lady.
Landlord's a dickhead.
The landlord is completely in the wrong.
Bleddy silly sod that one.
I would be changing the locks, telling the LL that they have broken the law in entering the property as you enjoy quiet enjoyment. I would then be giving the keys back on the very last day, they want to get in early to take photos and list it sooner, don't give them a leg up.
Your landlord is an arsehole
This landlord is a weapon. Take as many pictures and videos of the property as possible before you leave, for the deposit protection service. People like this always try to take deposits, so back yourself up.
Oh my days, the cry laughing emoji on your perfectly reasonable reply would've sent my head to Mars!
It's your home. You're paying the rent on it. As a landlord we give 24 hours' notice to enter and get permission. It sounds like he switched off appliances that you're running and paying to power. Crazy antics on their part. It's fairly cut and dried - is it your home still or have you left and it's now under the landlord's control? I assume it still is your home so he's completely out of order.
If the landlord is entering the property while you are still living there under a tenancy agreement and paying rent, without giving notice, they are trespassing. The fact that he owns the property is irrelevant as it's your home while the tenancy contract is in force and you have a legal right to quiet enjoyment of that home without being harassed.
Call the police (non-emergency number) and file a report.
Send him a link to this thread if he continues to argue. If this doesn't open his eyed then nothing will.
Yepp, they're a twat who doesn't clearly understand tenant law. You're not in the wrong, you're still a tenant of this property and so you're still protected by housing law.
Your landlord is an AH who probably is illegally double renting and has promised someone an earlier move in day because he's already taken their money so is trying to rush you out
Your totally in the right here
What an idiot. You were going to properly clean.
I'd just give it a quick going over and tell them to cry to deposit protection if they have an issue.
Exactly. I really didn't see the issue in asking them to leave my stuff alone
If the landlord has entered illegally then you have the right to issue a rent return order.
Nope you aren’t in the wrong at all. He’s a complete nob
To be honest the very fact he put this shit in writing speaks volumes. If he tries to screw you over the deposit, hasn't protected it, or screwed up something else you're probably getting up to 3x the deposit back at tribunal.
He really has no right to enter the property while your still paying for the month! It still comes under breaking and entering
The bright side this will soon be behind you since you purchased your own home now. Strangely my last few days in my corporate owned apartment was worse than individual mom/pop rentals. My own landlord cried and tried to vacate my house less than 2 months after signing a 3 year lease. Why? His married daughter sold her own house and wanted a temporary home for her family. My corporate owned apartment was almost twice in rent and I got a third of the space. Then I paid all kinds of other fees like common pool maintenance, common area washing/painting, pest control, lawn upkeep, charge for special keys, etc. It is such a nightmare
Should invoice him for the cleaning he made you need to do due to his mess
The laughing react is crazy
That is still your home regardless of what you have in there until the end of your lease.
The landlord is simply trying to get it cleaned and turned around to rend during your time so they can reset it.
Simply state that they can not touch or switch anything until the day your lease ends or you will be seeking legal advice.
Bee in your bonnet really got me sorry 😂😂😂
wow your landlord sucks
take him to court for breach of contract. get a judge to say he can’t be a landlord any more. see how he copes having to earn his own wages instead of stealing someone else’s. what a piece of work, man.
He’s a wanker. Well done on the new house!
Who tf turns their freezer off when away on holiday for 2 weeks? Appliances aren’t suddenly going to explode. Not only is he breaking the agreement he’s annoyingly dense as well.
That says it all.
it will depend on where you live. some laws allow for last paid month for the landlord to be barging in for safety reasons, but most of it has to do with the house being empty.
If you still have your stuff in there and paid your month, you are free.
if your stuff is not there, it's worth checking the local laws. most won't allow them to barge in.
Breach of the covenant for quiet enjoyment.
Maybe illegally trying to evict you in the criminal sense.
I wouldn’t be cleaning anything. If he’s entering the property without your consent while you’re away, what’s to say he isn’t messing the place up?
Waiting for the next post where he tries not to give you your deposit back. What an AH.
I'd charge him for cleaning up around the fridge.
Also, sue for breach of contract.
You are entitled to quiet enjoyment of the property. This means free of disturbance from the landlord vs actual noise.
You should take them to court. I did a few years ago for something more serious. And it was of course settled out of court. We got a payout, they changed their attitude towards tenants they have at many properties they owned and now properly maintain those properties and respect tenants out of understanding it could happen to them again
Tell him he's not allowed in for the remainder of your tenancy.
When you leave switch the water off at the street meter and pour some ready mix concrete in afterwards for good measure.
REPORT THAT MF!
My previous landlord was kinda like this too albeit I was a lodger. So it's not that uncommon after all.
Take a shit through his letterbox
I wish you had the energy and finances to sue this fucking cunt. Even if it's just to scare his little fucking laugh emoji off.
You need to assert your rights better as not doing so allows others to take a mile.
In this situation you should have been holding your ground in the convo but also asserting your legal rights as a tenant and just bluntly advising if the LL conduct continues you will be forced to take action for the breaches of rights a tenant has.
Honestly the LL seems like a narc and behaves totally as if they get to call the shots at all times and then try to put you in your place when you have the rights.
I'd seriously have some fun with this LL before I moved out if it were me and I'd leave them tied up in issues long after I moved out - all self-inflicted by LL.
All the best OP and I hope they next tenant this LL gets is an absolute nightmare.
Change the locks, even if it is just for a few weeks. Don’t tell him though so he wastes his time trying to enter your property again and don’t respond to his calls when he’s ringing asking why the key doesn’t work.
I get the feeling the landlord is going to be difficult with your deposit as well. You've handled it all brilliantly. Congratulations on your new home.
No, your landlord is being exceptionally antagonistic, rude, and just plain wrong. You’re still the tenant and you have the same tenancy rights.
Simple answer, he was wrong. You were right end of
Hah, pretty stupid of him to say that.
He's basically surrendered the contract in writing. Move out, take him to small claims for the weeks you missed out on.
Dude is a diiiiiiiick....
Yeah, you are still the tenant and your rights should not be getting made inconsequential.
What was the landlord doing in the apartment? They have no right of access unless a full on emergency.
Plus landlord was rude. Sorry you had to put up with that behaviour.
Clever landlord, leaves the freezer off and open to cause water damage for an attempt on your deposit
Exhibit A for why people think landlords are bastards.
Why the hell are they still entering the property? No no no. Big no. Save these for when they start clawing things back on your deposit etc, DPS will want to see this for sure.
What an overbearing cunt! Scalding you as if he’s your mother. It should be a professional business relationship. I would never behave like this with my tenants. You’re fully in the right here. It’s illegal to enter your home without notice.
You’re not in the wrong. They shouldn’t be accessing the property like that, let alone tampering with things.
Oh that landlord is a cunt. Thankfully I had the opportunity to buy 4/5 years ago and got away from renting because this kind of shit is everywhere. I have never once rented somewhere where the landlord didn’t treat me at best like some kind of mild nuisance and a lower class of citizen. Reading this boiled my blood. They always assume that ownership gives them unlimited rights to the property despite it being someone’s home. Owning property to rent should be banned.
Property manager here. A landlord who lets themselves in without giving you written notice is committing as much of a crime as a criminal breaking into your home.
If you feel strongly about your landlord letting himself in, report it to the police. Not sure what they'll do since I've never had to deal with that, but I imagine they'll want his evidence of giving you notice.
You can read up on it a bit more on Shelter's website.
I can see both sides. It seems like poor communication between both of you. You have a right to occupy until the last day. Landlord has a right to ensure his property is being left well and also to show prospective tenants around while you still occupy. Personally, I would clean the place now and just use it as storage.
On a different subject, if a gas supplier supplies to all the flats in a building via central boiler but they still charge you even tho u hardly use any gas? Is that legal? Or mybe they charge the tenants just for the supply?
If the landlord wants the place vacant I’m sure they could return some of your final months rent, if you agree.
Otherwise, it’s yours til the last day and they can swivel.
No you're 100% right. Until you hand the keys back to them, thats your property
change the locks, they want both sides. They dont want to allow you to terminate the tenancy early and give money back. But they want to clean the place and rent it out to someone else for the period you've already paid for.
For the future, I’d try to be less emotional. The least amount of details you give, the less people have to go on to criticise you or annoy you. You should have said: “Hi Landlord, as per our contract, my tenancy only ends on X/04/25. The property has not been vacated, and I’d just like to remind you that any visits to the property need to be informed 24 hours before and agreed upon. Please refrain from breaching any contract rules. Thank you”.
If he replies “blah blah it has been vacated” just go “it appears there’s a miscommunication, the property has not been vacated”. And let him talk to himself. You have answered all questions.
Sometimes we extend the bullshit and give ammo to assholes because we feel that their concern is legitimate - but many times, it just isn’t. Don’t legitimise bullshit.
Just wanted to say that from reading those messages, your landlord sounds like just a young dude who skived school a lot. He sounds thick as shit. Your message is clearly saying that you gave an agreement and he shouldn’t be there, not that you’re complaining about having paid the months rent ffs. He really does sound like a moron who has no idea what he’s doing from that reply to you. You’re not even complaining!
He’s just mad that he’s losing an income.
He probably doesn’t know what “belligerent “ means. Just heard it and decided to use it.
Also the fact he even has confirmed that he’s let himself in before the tenancy ends shows he’s an idiot.
Make sure you leave the property how you arrived there. And make sure you take pictures. Also make sure you do a walk around with him if he wants to check the property.
I bet you can’t wait to be rid of this dickhead.
He's a prick
What a piece of shit. The smiley face tells you exactly the kind of person they are. Yet another cunt of a landlord.
Their logic is absolutely astounding. Imagine being this rude and objectively in the wrong and trying to flip it around.
Your landlord is lucky to not be 5 ft deep right now
Change the lock until you leave, then change it back
That is standard landlord communication sadly.
Yeah typical landlord who would barely say any of this in person for fear of being smacked..
Landlord is in the wrong, mainly because they decided to become part of the parasite class but in this specific instance because if you're still within the period you've paid for, they've no right to enter without your permission and tamper with shit.
Name and shame. Or at the very least provide more details so others can avoid this turd.
Yes you are in the wrong. Apologise to your landlord and hope he allows you to stay
The guys an absolute dickhead
There's no point in cleaning because that landlord is definitely going to deduct a hefty immoral cleaning fee from your deposit.
This could potentially be construed as landlord harassment, disturbing your peace. There are strict and severe penalties against the Landlord if found guilty of harassment. This landlord should be very careful.
Landlord is an asshole, for a chance
No, the guy is a prick. Stand your ground. You have rights.
Uk landlord, has no legal right to come into your home without notice.
You're totally right, and you're an absolute gentleman. Well done you. Congratulations on the new home, I hope you and yours love it.
PS - forget that fucking prick. Sorry, had to say it for you, you're better than me.
Honestly, people like that shouldnt be landlords and give landlords a bad name. People should be treated with respect. Great responses, however little concerned they'll try keep the deposit regardless of how clean you leave it. Your deposit should be protected by the tenancy deposit scheme. I suggest you take a few photos of thee condition of the house when you leave.
The landlord is being an arse. Worst thing is you’d think they would be happy, by having this extra time after moving all your stuff out it makes it so much easier to leave the property in a good state.
A landlord cannot enter the premises unannounced in this scenario. You are still under a tenancy agreement for that residence so even if you wanted to sleep on the floor overnight, you are more than entitled to do so.
Landlord is wrong.
They should not be entering the property without warning, and if they do show up without warning, should absolutely not be entering without your being there.
The could have taken and done anything (which they did). They had no right to turn off the freezer, especially if there were still items in them, and no right to remove items that weren't theirs.
Take photos of everything, before and after whenever you can, and then if they try to deny you your deposit back because of damages, you have proof that it wasn't you.
No one who actively chooses to use the word belligerent as an insult is really saying “I know I’m in the wrong, I’m not going to admit it, and I’m going to speak to you as if you are”.
It’s the same sort of energy as someone calling you a petulant child.
Wow, fuck this guy. You paid, he can fuck off until your move out day. Honestly, what is it with landlords, my last rented flat before I bought my own house the guy told me "the place looks clean but I know when I look properly I will find damage so I'm just going to keep the bond", paid the piece of shit about 19k over 4 years and on the last day after no issues with us at all he tried pulling that.
You've paid and still have keys. Therefore tenants rights still apply. Full stop. End of conversation.
You could actually sue if they're accessing the property without advance notice, especially if there's a time frame in your tenancy agreement, the usual legal frame is minimum 24 hours notice.
They could also be on the hook for any groceries that were ruined by them unplugging the fridge that you had to replace. I'd keep records for the next few weeks and carefully consider looking at legal routes.
In future change your locks, keep the originals to change when you leave. The landlord will never know unless they attempt to enter illegally, and you’re well within your rights to do it.
Just take him to court if he decides to enter the property which he probably won't as you have this all signed and documented I presume.
Record any interactions with them and just stay calm in dealing with them, you are in the right from my understanding, but I am no expert so do your due diligence
Bellend landlord
fish under the floorboards the only way sadly
Jumped up twat. People like this are the reason landlords are hated
A landlord being an absolute fucking cunt?!
Jesus, you'll be telling me the Pope's Catholic next.
(Yes you are in the right. Fuck that piece of shit, you're well out of that place.)
'right to quiet enjoyment'. Contact your council.
I'm not sure how you kept your cool, I would've gone NUTS at this guy. How dare he indeed! Until the end of the tenancy that's your home and he absolutely still had to give notice to enter! I did an overlap of my old place and my new place for exactly the same reason as you - would rather pay both for 2 weeks and have time to do everything without stress. Id have been FUMING if my landlord had done that to me. Just because that's a choice doesn't suddenly mean the tenancy agreement no longer stands?!
He sounds like he's gonna be an arsehole about your deposit as well.
They're correct he's a house scalper.
Not awkward at all. The space is yours, until the tenancy agreement is over - and the landlord is taking the PISS. It’s not uncommon for them to have “lord of the manor syndrome” - he’s not doing you a favour, you’re paying him and he needs to observe your (quite obvious) rights to privacy.
The cheeky bastard! Continue using the house as you like until the last day, you've paid it so you can do!
Landlord sounds like a cock
Landlord looks like he’s being a bit of a tit to be honest
Rude landlord.
Yeah, if your landlord has given you a notice/vice-versa, it's your rental property until the second that's over, not before.
If you choose to hand over your keys early, and vacate the property early, that's fine. It's up to you. But if you want to wait until the very last second, then you do that.
I had a similar situation to this where I moved and had a place effectively vacated for 2 months. However, I kept my keys because it was right in the centre of town, among all the shops (it was actually above a shop) and a real relief if you wanted to pee while out and about in-town, and it was furnished so I crashed there a couple of times during big nights out.
The landlord did actually complain to me in a similar fashion, but I told her if she wanted the keys earlier, I'd be happy to give them to her - in exchange for a pro rata refund of the rent. She shut up when I said that.
The landlord sounds like a 🔔 end
The reaction at the end was crazy for a landlord
You are way too nice. Once someone disrespects you like that, go low.
Just like my landlord. Gotta thank him though. He was such a condescending creature that it really motivated me to save up extremely fast and buy ky own place. The shock in his voice was sooooo satisfying. They act like we live in the property for free and they are doing us a favour!!!!!
Landlord is a dickhead, tenancy terms are still in play. Good job in getting written proof!
Ring the police and report them for trespassing 😂
Time to shit on the walls
Landlord sounds like a total twat and doesn’t know the law. You paid and you’re still using it. That should be the end of it until the paid period is up.
He’s an arsehole. Shouldn’t be in your property without notice.
You could literally leave cleaning till 5 minutes before it ends if you wanted (would that be fesable no but you can do it) as its still your property until the agreement has ended.
