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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago
Advice needed: sell flat in London or keep it?

I’ve been an accidental landlord since 2019 in London, and the past few years have been a rollercoaster. I’m struggling to figure out what to do with my flat and would appreciate some recommendations from the community.

The Situation:

• Bought the flat for £490k in late 2018, but its value hasn’t appreciated—I’d be lucky to get £440k now. • COVID was tough: rents dropped, but mortgage rates were manageable. • The last 1.5 years have been particularly difficult due to high mortgage rates. All the rental income goes toward paying the bank, and I still need to cover additional costs like: • Service charge: £4,000/year • Any other maintenance/repairs. • The rent I receive doesn’t fully cover the mortgage because I also pay agency fees.

Mortgage Details:

• On a variable tracker, I was paying 6.29%, recently reduced to 5.99%, but would have jumped to 7% if I didn’t act. • Just fixed a 4.29% rate for 2 years to avoid further rate hikes.

Current Rent:

• Tenants are paying £2,600/month (gross, before 8% agency fees excl VAT*), and with the new fixed rate of 4.29%, I can just about cover the mortgage and service charge now. • High occupancy rate; no problem finding tenants, and rents are expected to go up.

Cons:

• I hate being a landlord and the mortgage payments and crazy rates have been stressing me A LOT. I’ve stuck it out for long on the variable tracker thinking I’d sell but there’s so much supply in the markets I’ve barely gotten any offers. • The property hasn’t appreciated, and I’d be selling at a loss if I decide to sell now. • I’d also face a 2% penalty fee if I sell due to the new mortgage fix. • I don’t urgently need cash, but I want to minimize my losses.

What I’m Considering:

• Keep the flat: Rent seems stable, and with a lower interest rate, it’s finally covering costs, but I’d still be stuck with being a landlord. Equity is increasing (mortgage is £376k now and would be c £360k in 2 years meaning I “earn” more by waiting assuming I sell at the same price as today c 440k based on latest potential offer) • Sell now: Even though it means taking a significant loss and paying the penalty for breaking the mortgage.

Should I hold on or just sell now?

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Posted by SmallCatBigMeow 4 weeks ago

I’d definitely see until end of the fix to see if things change. What is the situation with the flat and the area? Is it possible prices will creep up? Personally I’d hold on and not sell yet.

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

No clue to be honest. I’m shocked the flat hasn’t appreciated in value, I probably overpaid in 2018 at £490k. I was young, working in finance and wanted to do something with my savings… It’s a large studio apartment, 42 sqm with a little balcony facing the canal etc. The area is in paddington, very residential and beautiful tbh, 24/h concierge, newly renovated inside the building, super safe area with lots of connections, attract a lot of young professionals and students. I also refurbished a repainted the flat so it looks good. But according to my agent there’s lots of supply right now and buyers can get a 1 bed for the price I paid.

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Posted by SmallCatBigMeow 4 weeks ago

Yeah I think many landlords are selling as well further increasing supply of flats, though I don’t know the London market well so am just talking out of my ass. Good luck with whatever you do, if money isn’t an issue and you hate it, then you may as well sell. But you’ve got a reasonable rate for a B2L mortgage and sounds like tenants in situ, so what’s the rush.

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

Yep you are right, many landlords wanna get out before the “Renters Rights Bill” from March 2025. I’m leaning towards keeping it.

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Posted by Dramatic-Coffee9172 3 weeks ago

Studio flat for 0.5M ? Yeah, likely to have overpaid.

Your service charges will also increase in time especially as the building gets older, will require more work / repairs/maintenance so that will probably cancel out the higher rent.

£2.6k per month rent for a studio is on the higher end range too.

I think the best option for you is to hold.

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Posted by aidisen 3 weeks ago

Agree.. but at the time (2018) studios were priced at this range in the area but yea in hindsight I overpaid unfortunately. I’ll hold it for now.

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Posted by wealth3health 4 weeks ago

Why are the agency fees so high? Can you try and negotiate that down? Or find different agent?

Do the agents also manage the property?- if their fees are high that’s the least they should be doing. Would take your headache away atleast.

Also paying 2% penalty (~7.5k£) to sell at a loss doesn’t really sit well…

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

I agree, but they have also been super good at finding really good tenants and handling everything for me.. but I will renegotiate or find a new agent.

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Posted by PsychologicalWeird 4 weeks ago

Look up hello neighbour for better fees, it works out a lot cheaper than 15%

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Posted by BritishProperty 4 weeks ago

You can get agencies at 10%, try to negotiate down to that. Or self-manage if you can.

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Posted by AdeptnessExotic1884 4 weeks ago

We are in a very similar situation.

Our way out was to turn the flat into a buy to let and get interest only. So the rent is covering all costs and basically we will sell it on 20 years and either make some money for retirement or at least get our money back.

We then got a separate mortgage on our new place and treat the two very separately.

Can't see flats going up for a good few years, but surely they will eventually.

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Posted by aidisen 3 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing. Agree, the “smartest” choice would probably be to just hold it and hope to at least sell for the same price in the future, and meanwhile the flat “pays” for itself which mine would be had the rates not been so crazy high last few years. The flat SHOULD be valued more in 15 years from purchasing in 2018, or else I’m just naive or overpaid massively 😅

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Posted by difrt 4 weeks ago

I’m in a VERY similar situation. I’ve modeled it, and the first few years will be absolutely rough, with negative or low yields. However, as the mortgage balance decreases, things get much more interesting, particularly because it’s a leveraged investment. You’re earning rent on the full value of the property, not just on the amount of your deposit, and over time, you’ll get to keep more of it. Eventually, you could achieve an annual return of around 20% of your initial investment (assuming all else remains equal). This is only possible due to the leveraged nature of mortgaged properties.

It’s tempting to look at stocks and other investments and think you’d be better off, but the reality is that while you might earn higher yields, it would be on a much smaller investment pot since stocks aren’t leveraged. Plus, we don’t know how long interest rates will stay high or whether we’re headed for a downturn in the stock market.

In the long term, keeping the property might turn out to be the best decision. No one can say for sure.

I’ve decided to hold onto mine for as long as I can finance it and roughly break even.

EDIT: typos, phrasing.

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Posted by aidisen 3 weeks ago

This is a really reassuring perspective, thanks for sharing. Honestly the flats rental income is very attractive, and hopefully I’d even get a piece of that once the mortgage is low enough. It’s a long end game i guess, just got to be patient.

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Posted by psvrgamer1 4 weeks ago

This is a tough call on what to do but I do know it's a terrible time to sell as it's a total buyers market ATM.

If I could be so bold here is what I would do in your situation. I would have an exit plan of selling as soon as property market starts to boom again. This might be several years whilst high interest rates mean BTL investors such as yourself leave the market and sell up. I feel the market is flooded with properties from people such as yourself ATM so if you don't ride the storm you are looking at less for your property than you purchased for.

I would get rid of your property management company and go for rent collection only, this will reduce your management fees from 15% to about 7%. This will save you £208 a month which you can put towards the service charge.

Why I'm suggesting dumping the property management side is from experience they do very little. If a repair is needed they typically charge 3x the amount for trades than finding one yourself, they don't check on the trades and or follow up with tenant that the repair has been fixed satisfactorily. I find it so much less stressful to deal with issues myself and I can ensure my property is properly protected.

Next insurance. This is key to feeling secure and protected. Many insurance companies offer a range of protections including rent guarantee, legal protection, emergency cover, accidental damage, buildings and contense etc. I pay just under £800 for all these protections on a 3 bed semi in Surrey. Well worth it particularly rent guarantee and legal protection because I'm covered for upto 2 years if a tenant stops paying and they will handle eviction of tenant as part of my legal protection cover.

To give an example of how bad property management companies are Haart Guildford offered only rent guarantee for £980 a year which is 5 times more than that portion of my insurance done privately.

If your property is in good repair then you might want to reduce levels of cover but it's good to self manage if you can afford the time for occasional disruption in sorting issues.

Once the property market bounces back then sell if being a LL isn't for you. That's my opinion if it was me.

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Posted by poulan9 4 weeks ago

You didn't buy that long ago. This could turn out quite well but needs time as Covid was a major spanner in the works and affected everything.

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Posted by aidisen 3 weeks ago

True. Thanks for commenting.

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

Thank you, this is great advice. I do plan to choose a cheaper alternative than my current real estate agent. May I ask who the insurance provider is? Which one do you recommend?

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Posted by a_man_enters_a_cafe 4 weeks ago

I use 24/7 home rescue and they are brilliant, they can manage same day appointments too. Otherwise British Gas does a similar cover, HomeCare, covering gas, plumbing, electrics etc

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

Thanks! Yes I’m on homecare but every plumbing issue I’ve had they haven’t been able to resolve :) so they’ve been useless to me

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Posted by a_man_enters_a_cafe 4 weeks ago

I am not very clear: if you have Homecare, what are you paying the agency for?

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

I only had them for plumbing insurance since I had some issues every now and then, they could never resolve anything. I just double checked and I actually pay 8% agency fees excluding VAT, they only find me tenants nothing else. There’s not much to manage in the flat really, they help organize check in and check out, cleaning etc but that’s covered in the fee.

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Posted by a_man_enters_a_cafe 4 weeks ago

Ah ok! I really recommend 24/7 then! It’s always good to know who to call if something breaks

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Posted by Final_Flounder9849 4 weeks ago

British Gas are a nightmare when it comes to actually turning up to central London appointments. I can’t tell you how many times they’ve texted or called after missing the appointment and said “couldn’t find anywhere to park mate”. Yes it’s WC1 but there’s a f’ing parking space ffs. And they know about it! Of all contractors they’re reliably the worst I have ever used.

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Posted by [deleted] 4 weeks ago

A perspective of a tenant who needed to secure a new property recently. My previous landlord was renting a flat for 2350. They wanted to increase the rent to 2500. They couldn’t find anyone to rent for that price because they were plenty similar properties which struggled to rent for 2200-2300. So the landlord needed to drop the rent to 2300 to be able to secure a new tenant. The landlord was confident that they will find someone for the higher price based on previous experiences / history. I feel like the market is really unpredictable and while you may not have this problem right now but you will reach the point where only a small minority can afford your place. In short, I wouldn’t make assumptions that you will be able to increase the rent indefinitely- you will reach the point where other properties will push your desired rent amount down. Something to consider while making decision.

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Posted by aidisen 3 weeks ago

Thank you for sharing this perspective. Not going to lie, I am in desperate need of minimum £2,400 to cover mortgage and service charge, and that excludes any unpredictable costs. That is £200 lower than current rent. So I am very much hoping I can get this rent when current tenant moves out early next year otherwise I’ll face another year or two of not being able to cover all costs with this flat..

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Posted by stupid151 3 weeks ago

Just maybe a short term option but You could consider extending the term of the mortgage to reduce payments, or, maybe go interest only, just to give you that cushion for now, and when things improve rent-wise or, capital appreciation wise, change back term/capital and interest, or sell.

It’s not worth stressing yourself, the money you save you could put side, and if you never need it, you could pay a lump sum to your mortgage.

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Posted by christy2131 4 weeks ago

Don't use an agency.

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Posted by DistancePractical239 4 weeks ago

Well you are stuck so keep it rented now. This is why we say stay away from flats. You could have got a house in zone 5 london during that time. And today it would be worth 650k minimum. 

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Posted by SmallCatBigMeow 4 weeks ago

Yeah and if your grandma had wheels… the should’ve, would’ve, could’ve isn’t particularly helping OP is it

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

Yep. I was young and had money and thought I was smart but buying this flat was the stupidest most stressful mistake.. mostly because of the interest rates hikes. Paying 6.29% interest has been a killer, I thought I was smart waiting things out and being flexible in case I got a good offer to sell :) and also because of no appreciation.. If I paid all cash I would be “happy”, getting £30k/year in rental income.

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Posted by wealth3health 4 weeks ago

Were the house prices high in general back in 2018? Why do you think the value had gone significantly in your opinion?

Also what mortgage rate did you fix at in 2018?

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

the flat I bought had £500k in asking price and at the time it was in line with the market, so I got it down £10k but I probably could’ve gotten it down even more or just bought something else. I wanted to be central and buy a modern apartment, the idea was to live there but I only ended up living there for less than 1 year as I moved in with my partner in a bigger flat that suited us better..

Everyone I’m speaking to who bought in 2018 are also facing large depreciations in value rather than the opposite..

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

In 2018 I fixed at 1.29% for 2 years

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Posted by DistancePractical239 4 weeks ago

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. Bought a house for £300k each in 2010 and 2011, in 2018 they were worth about 450k. Today they're just over 600k.  £500k then would have got him a better house than the ones i been buying, zone 5 london. Got 4 houses here now. I will never buy a flat, rather build them myself. 

Have you thought about the airbnb route to get abit more out of what you have?

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Posted by aidisen 4 weeks ago

I didn’t downvote, I agree with you regarding capital appreciation BUT I think it’s hard to beat central London’s occupancy rate and potential rental income, no? Again, I’m an accidental landlord I was never supposed to be in this situation, i didn’t buy to rent initially. Re Airbnb; lease is pretty strict with airbnbs, i need AST contacts and minimum 3 month stays.

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Posted by DistancePractical239 4 weeks ago

That part is very debatable. Short term you are good with your central flat. Long term, a house always wins...

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Posted by aidisen 3 weeks ago

Sure but a house also takes a little more energy than I have to give, I want as little effort as possible, and again, it was not my intention to rent out and profit, rather to live as close to work as possible and be comfortable :) but good for you for being able to make great real estate investments by buying houses, fixing them up and selling at profit. It’s not my interest personally, I’m not in this game

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Posted by poulan9 4 weeks ago

I'm downovting you and I suggest others are as well because we could all be geniuses using hindsight but none of this helps OP today does it?

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